Robert Byers banned at IIDB

[Guzman]

And we are back to Lamarck!

So by your logic those decendents of English "settlers" should be lookin like Aboriginals by now. After all they have been there for more than a few generations (the late 1700s actually).

Strange how Australia has the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/co...kin_Cancer.asp

What does skin cancer have to do with lamarckism?

If your "theory" were correct, there shouldn't be any. Why are the Australians of European descent incapable of manipulating their own phenotypes so their skins are appropriately dark? You yourself claim that "the course of a few generations" should be enough to do it. Why isn't it happening?

you must first show me that this isn't true. Got any studies on families that show scientifically that even though they are exposed to pounding effects of the sun that they have not increased their pigmentation over multiple generations? Your baseless assertion doesn't cut it. What city in australia are you referring to? There are different environments in Australia. Sydney, for example rarely gets above the 80s and often has cloud-cover.

[Gojira]

Sometimes, I can't help myself - I hear a name and it just seems to fit...

And the name that fits is the late, great Alex Harvey doing the vocals

Well done, Sah!

[Guzman]

so what's up with the skin color here? It would be interesting to compare and contrast these players' ancestors skin color.



compare to present-day Africans:

[Faid]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

[Dlx2]

so what's up with the skin color here? It would be interesting to compare and contrast these players' ancestors skin color.



compare to present-day Africans:

Couldn't possibly be because there's a lot of European blood in American blacks due to the fact that white slaveowners systematically raped black slaves during about 200 years of systematic oppression.

[Guzman]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

[Guzman]

so what's up with the skin color here? It would be interesting to compare and contrast these players' ancestors skin color.



compare to present-day Africans:

Couldn't possibly be because there's a lot of European blood in American blacks due to the fact that white slaveowners systematically raped black slaves during about 200 years of systematic oppression.

Oh, I'm sure the slave owners raped all of the millions of females....what about all the northern blacks?...no slave owners there to blame it on. Besides, as I said, the thing to do would be to compare these Knicks players skin with their parents, grandparents, great-great grandparents' skin.

[Dlx2]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

If that's the case, why are the native African ethnic groups in South Africa still Black? They've been there a lot longer than the white folks.

[Lucretius II]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

If that's the case, why are the native African ethnic groups in South Africa still Black? They've been there a lot longer than the white folks.

You really expect a consistent rational argument from Guzman ????

[Faid]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

Why indeed... And also, why would the people ALREADY LIVING THERE FOR AGES BE BLACK?


EDIT: +100 internets to dlx2, for delivering the pwnage first.

[Guzman]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

If that's the case, why are the native African ethnic groups in South Africa still Black? They've been there a lot longer than the white folks.

make up your mind! Maybe they've actually have gotten lighter just as American blacks have....and who's to say which blacks have lived there for genreations and which have recently moved there?... Got any scientific studies disproving that skin color has changed in the past 200 years??

[Guzman]

skin color of blacks in South Africa:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3D2%26hl%3Den

obviously there are great variations.

[Guzman]

so someone tell me why in the world I should believe natural selection is responsible for skin color? And don't even blame it on skin cancer, as you almost never see or hear of any 16-30 years coming down with terminal melanoma.

[Dlx2]

so what's up with the skin color here? It would be interesting to compare and contrast these players' ancestors skin color.



compare to present-day Africans:

Couldn't possibly be because there's a lot of European blood in American blacks due to the fact that white slaveowners systematically raped black slaves during about 200 years of systematic oppression.

Oh, I'm sure the slave owners raped all of the millions of females

Yes. They did. Your knowledge of history is about as bad as your knowledge of science.

....what about all the northern blacks?...no slave owners there to blame it on.

Guess again. Most of the blacks in the US came through the slave colonies in Jamaica and Haiti. They were brought to the US for the sake of human slavery, and were imported not only in the South, but also in the North. There was an import ban on slaves in 1808, and by that time, the North had prohibited slavery, but there had already been 200 years of slavery in the North. In the South, all the slaves following the ban were traded within the US, and you see an additional 60 years of institutionalized slavery. Now, in the North, you also see some interracial marriage for quite some time, as the North repealed the laws against interracial marriage a great deal of time before the South did.

Besides, as I said, the thing to do would be to compare these Knicks players skin with their parents, grandparents, great-great grandparents' skin.

Yes. Their parents, grandparents, and great-great grandparents....ALL of them.

[Faid]

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

If that's the case, why are the native African ethnic groups in South Africa still Black? They've been there a lot longer than the white folks.

make up your mind! Maybe they've actually have gotten lighter just as American blacks have....and who's to say which blacks have lived there for genreations and which have recently moved there?... Got any scientific studies disproving that skin color has changed in the past 200 years??

"Got any studies to disprove my completely baseless assertions"?

Yeah, right.

According to your fairytales, champ, blacks shouldn't EXIST in South Africa, since their skin is supposedly a response to the enviroment. Otherwise, whites should have become darker as well.

Give it up, dude. You got owned.

[Dlx2]

skin color of blacks in South Africa:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3D2%26hl%3Den

obviously there are great variations.

Holy shit there are different ethnic groups in Africa. The only person who would be surprised by that fact would be an unabashed racist such as yourself.

[Faid]

skin color of blacks in South Africa:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3D2%26hl%3Den

obviously there are great variations.

"Obviously"?

[Guzman]

yes faid..."obviously" since the pictures in my link displayed kids of different skin color shades.

Are you really a doctor? If so, of what?

[AJ Milne]

Are you really a doctor? If so, of what?

Fun fact for the day: in his spare time, da Guz also ghostwrites soft-core porno scripts.

[Ved]

Yes indeed! Why are there fucking black people in fucking South Africa? Did they arrive there AFTER all the fucking white people? Who could possibly tell who fucking arrived before who?

God that is so fucking dumb. Love yer stuff, Guz!

[ericmurphy]

What does skin cancer have to do with lamarckism?

If your "theory" were correct, there shouldn't be any. Why are the Australians of European descent incapable of manipulating their own phenotypes so their skins are appropriately dark? You yourself claim that "the course of a few generations" should be enough to do it. Why isn't it happening?

you must first show me that this isn't true.

I have to show you evidence that my own statement—that Australians of European ancestry aren't evolving darker skins—isn't true? Why do I need to do that?

Learn to speaken ze Engrish, asshole.

Got any studies on families that show scientifically that even though they are exposed to pounding effects of the sun that they have not increased their pigmentation over multiple generations? Your baseless assertion doesn't cut it. What city in australia are you referring to? There are different environments in Australia. Sydney, for example rarely gets above the 80s and often has cloud-cover.

In any event, I don't have to "show" you evidence that Australians of European ancestry aren't evolving darker skins. It's your claim, moron; you have to show that they are evolving darker skins. Most people who have ever been out of their mom's basement are well aware of the pretty fucking obvious fact that Australians of European ancestry have not evolved darker skins. Duh.

I don't need to provide "studies on families that show scientifically that even though they are exposed to pounding effects of the sun that they have not increased their pigmentation over multiple generations," you fucking drooling idiot, because it's self-evidently true. Even if it were not true, it would hardly be evidence for Lamarkian inheritance..

[ericmurphy]

How long have whites been in South Africa, guz?

smackdown, brotha!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SFXX0023_f.html


why would they change (get darker) if the weather is always cool and cloudy there?

Look at tomorrow's weather, you fucking idiot. Is 82° and sunny your idea of "always cool and cloudy"?

[jerr]

Guz, you are demonstrating the existence of the Eleventh Commandment: "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow creationist". You remain silent even in the face of posts such as this one by your brother in Christ, which concerns the legitimacy of the apartheid state of South Africa:

There is no way around it.
The White groups never meant to be a nation with the blacks.
They conquored and were morally legitamate to live as separate nations. In fact the Boers did not mean to be a part of the British S Africa. nor did they morally need to.
It was a sticky thing where there were in the boundaries so many natives who were not welcomed as countrymen. Fair enough. Yet this was a case of needing a common and faor conclusion.
If they had agreed to divid the country perhaps they could of remained separate but they wanted it all and now have to live as a minority in a probable declining nation.
Lord bless them all but there was nothing morally wrong with the S african whites motives . Its a special case.
Robert Byers

[Faid]

yes faid..."obviously" since the pictures in my link displayed kids of different skin color shades.

Are you really a doctor? If so, of what?

No shit, sherlock... MY picture is from YOUR link as well, though, and of the SAME event, and I can't see any significant differences in pigmentation. certainly not like the picture of the basketball team. And I most certainly not see any children that have turned up to be white, either.

So, if the blacks are blacks due to "response to the enviroment", then why don't whites turn black as well?

If the enviroment does not merit such a "response", then why did blacks living there remain black for centuries?

Any meaningful response?

And like I said before, I am an Orthopaedic. Are you really an adult?

[ericmurphy]

so someone tell me why in the world I should believe natural selection is responsible for skin color? And don't even blame it on skin cancer, as you almost never see or hear of any 16-30 years coming down with terminal melanoma.

Not how it works, asshole. Humans didn't evolve dark skin for protection to melanoma; their ancestors already had dark skin (adult chimps have nearly black skin, as do gorillas). Humans evolved light skin to aid in the production of vitamin D in northern climates with less sunlight.

You really are a retard, aren't you?