Robert Byers banned at IIDB

[ericmurphy]

well over the years I've employed many Mexicans -- and most of them are very hard workers....much better than most white guys. There are, however, a percentage of them that can't seem to stay off the beer and booze, therefore this percentage probably accounts for a good deal of dead weight in our country, especially considering they don't pay any income taxes, yet at the same time, drain public resources via emergency rooms visits, for example. But I really do have a soft spot for Mexicans, as a whole. They are generally very kind, very polite, have a Christian faith (and a basic set of morals) and are very concerned about providing for their families. I don't have any first-hand experience with black people, so I can't comment.

Bingo! There's the racism, asshole. Not that you had any redeeming virtues before, but now, if there was any tattered remnant of guilt I ever felt for verbally reaming you in the past, it just evaporated.

What a fucking asshole, "Yeah, I have a soft spot in my heart for Mexikins, even though they can't stay off the booze, and drain all the money out of our economy with their lazy-ass visits to the emergency room." Jesus fucking Christ, you human turd, you're not even aware of your own foetid racism.

What a worthless fuck.

[Flint]

Jesus fucking Christ, you human turd, you're not even aware of your own foetid racism.

Huh? Take Guzman's paragraph, and substitute ANY group - like for example "males" or "short people" or whatever, and it's still accurate. In fact, "ordinary people" would work just fine.

Some work very hard. Some are boozers. Some pay no taxes and drain resources. Some groups DO work harder than others - often it's said that older people are more hardworking and reliable than young people. Maybe it's true.

My own (fairly extensive) experience working with Mexicans matches Guzman's on the merits. They are generally hard workers, generally reliable and meticulous, generally good family people, generally polite and intelligent. Sure, there are individual exceptions. But as a group, I too would hire them before I'd hire an equally experienced group of white guys.

ericmurphy has fraudulently cherry-picked what Guzman CLEARY labeled as the exceptions, and pretended Guzman generalized from those exceptions, when in fact it was ericmurphy who did that, not Guzman. For shame! ericmurphy has, right in front of our eyes, performed a flagrant quote-mine. What a worthless fuck.

[DMB]

It seems to me also that medical science is sluggish compared to other things.
Yes the body is more complicated but still I'm blind in one eye.
I think its a wonderful age compared to others.
Still I suspect the best thinkers do not get involved in medical science. It is presented that the greatest intellectual achuevments are about the atomic stuff of the universe and not healing MS. Stephen Hawkins heal thyself and not black holes.
I also notice that because the medical field is prestigius still that it is interfered with by ethnic and sexual agendas. In short too many Jews, Asians and women motivated by a title and not by a passion for some progress in this or that. Likewise ethnic groups like blacks, mexicans don't contribute what they should.
Identity passions are stopping the better people from getting into the oppourtunities at entry level.
Just like in broadway plays. A skewed demagraphic is disturbing natural achievment.
Robert Byers
Toronto,Ontario

someone should try to get him over here.

If Byers does show up here, I challenge both you, Guzman, and Dave to take on this racist buffoon. I know it's an unwritten rule among creationists never to criticize each other (or even acknowledge each other's existence, it seems) but surely his rants are beyond the pale, aren't they?

Dave might do it, but Guztard is a

cowardly sack of shit

and he knows why I am saying this.

[Lasting Damage]

white people are perfect. In fact, the master race.

Jesus was caucasian.

[ericmurphy]

Jesus fucking Christ, you human turd, you're not even aware of your own foetid racism.

Huh? Take Guzman's paragraph, and substitute ANY group - like for example "males" or "short people" or whatever, and it's still accurate. In fact, "ordinary people" would work just fine.

Some work very hard. Some are boozers. Some pay no taxes and drain resources. Some groups DO work harder than others - often it's said that older people are more hardworking and reliable than young people. Maybe it's true.

My own (fairly extensive) experience working with Mexicans matches Guzman's on the merits. They are generally hard workers, generally reliable and meticulous, generally good family people, generally polite and intelligent. Sure, there are individual exceptions. But as a group, I too would hire them before I'd hire an equally experienced group of white guys.

ericmurphy has fraudulently cherry-picked what Guzman CLEARY labeled as the exceptions, and pretended Guzman generalized from those exceptions, when in fact it was ericmurphy who did that, not Guzman. For shame! ericmurphy has, right in front of our eyes, performed a flagrant quote-mine. What a worthless fuck.

Hardly. Guzman did exactly the same thing with gay people, saying he rented apartments to them all the time, saying their money is the same as anyone else's. Then he goes on a homophobic rampage that peels the paint off the walls. You think his attitude towards Mexicans is any different? I know Guzman well enough at this point not to need to go by what he actually types out. And how the fuck do I "quote-mine" someone by quoting their entire message?

And about this:

ericmurphy has fraudulently cherry-picked what Guzman CLEARY labeled as the exceptions, and pretended Guzman generalized from those exceptions, when in fact it was ericmurphy who did that, not Guzman

Why the exceptions? What possible purpose was served, in trying to deflect allegations of racism, by pointing out shortcomings in the group in question that is shared by all of humanity? You think I could escape charges of racism by saying, "Gee, some of my best friends are Texans. Even though some of them are single white male child molesters who bury bodies in shallow graves behind their houses, most of them are decent, hardworking people."

Yeah, that would fly.

[Flint]

And how the fuck do I "quote-mine" someone by quoting their entire message?

Did you read? Go back and try again. You quoted the entire message, then you selected what Guzman himself labeled the exceptions, and characterized his message as using the exceptions to describe the norm. This is dishonest. You got caught. Don't lie to us.

Look, I'm not saying Guzman is NOT a racist. I'm saying the message you quoted is not even slightly racist. It's objectively accurate. If you wish to demonstrate what you regard as Guzman's horrible character flaws, you'd be better advised to select a passage that illustrates them. Despite your efforts at mischaracterization, this one does not.

And you do yourself no favors illustrating in yourself the very characteristics you are trying to attack others for displaying, especially when they aren't displaying them. You have let your frustrations with Guzman's intractable cretinism drag you to his level.

[ericmurphy]

And how the fuck do I "quote-mine" someone by quoting their entire message?

Did you read? Go back and try again. You quoted the entire message, then you selected what Guzman himself labeled the exceptions, and characterized his message as using the exceptions to describe the norm. This is dishonest. You got caught. Don't lie to us.

Except that nowhere did I EVER claim that Guzman was using what he called "exceptions" as being the norm. That isn't even remotely close to what I was even saying or implying. Perhaps you should go back and read what I actually said and implied, as opposed to what you apparently think I said or implied.

What I DID say, as opposed to your broken misapprehension of what I said, is that Guzman is using exactly the same sort of techniques racists have been using to disguise their racism for decades. The exact same statements have been coming out of the mouths of genteel racists in certain southern states since the end of the Civil war. It doesn't matter whether Guzman was referring to a "percentage" (1%? 10% 50%? 90%? Is there anything in Guzman's post that would lead you to choose any of those figures over any other? how about the part that says "therefore this percentage probably accounts for a good deal of dead weight in our country, especially considering they don't pay any income taxes, yet at the same time, drain public resources via emergency rooms visits, for example.") of Mexicans, all Mexicans, or a tiny minority of Mexicans. No one in their right mind who was attempting to deflect accusations of racism would even mention such characteristics which you yourself admit applies to any random group of human beings. What do you suppose Guzman's motivation was in even mentioning the notional alcoholism and tax-avoidance of people of Mexican extraction? Can you think of a valid, non-racist reason in the context it was given? I can't.

I'm not quote-mining anyone, and I'm not twisting the words of anyone. If anyone's doing that, you're doing it to my words.

Look, I'm not saying Guzman is NOT a racist. I'm saying the message you quoted is not even slightly racist. It's objectively accurate. If you wish to demonstrate what you regard as Guzman's horrible character flaws, you'd be better advised to select a passage that illustrates them. Despite your efforts at mischaracterization, this one does not.

This isn't a court of law, and I'm not obligated to demonstrate to some notional standard of evidence that Guzman is a racist. He's already demonstrated his bigotry in other areas to any standard of evidence you care to mention. My point was that I am satisfied that Guzman is in fact a racist, just as he is a homophobe (although he's probably not a closet Mexican), and most likely an antisemite as well.

I'm not trying to support a scientific assertion here. I'm not bound by the rules of evidence required to support a scientific statement. I am stating my opinion. You apparently believe Guzman is a racist as well; do you base that belief on some sort of empirical evidence, or are you basing it on induction, a result of Guzman's previous output of sewage?

And you do yourself no favors illustrating in yourself the very characteristics you are trying to attack others for displaying, especially when they aren't displaying them. You have let your frustrations with Guzman's intractable cretinism drag you to his level.

Which characters are those? Am I smearing entire classes of people? Am I criticizing anyone but Guzman, and Guzman alone, for his own antisocial behavior? Is there anything even remotely similar to my accusations of Guzman's racism with Guzman's accusation of an entire class of humanity (gay men) as being feces ingesting, disgusting subhumans?

Are you really prepared to back up that assertion?

ETA: Is it a requirement for an accusation of "racism" that the accused believe that a majority of the people he is talking about possess the undesirable characteristics he attributes to them? Am I not a racist for saying, "I think most black people are just fine, even though a percentage of them are crack addicts who are into grand theft auto (the occupation, not the video game)"?

Can one escape accusations of racism just because one's statements, with qualifiers, might be factually correct?

[Dlx2]

Eric said he wanted to gang-rape and then kill me....

Dude. What have we said about sharing your wet dreams with us? Seriously, man. Not cool.

[Steviepinhead]

This was a slow day for Guz-sult repping.

Until I got to this thread.

Guz, a good day's work. You've earned about 30 pos-reps for your worst foes.

[Dlx2]

Relevant xkcd:

[Wolfhound]

This was a slow day for Guz-sult repping.

Until I got to this thread.

Guz, a good day's work. You've earned about 30 pos-reps for your worst foes.

And I thank you kindly, Oh Pointed One!

[Guzman]

just to clear the record, I am not in any way racist. Just in case anyone forgets, it's me, the creationist who believes skin color is skin deep and not at all the result of "evolution," as probably everyone in here believes. Skin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

And to clear the homo thing up, I truly truly love these people. It's just that their bedroom/restroom/carseat activities repulse me and drag society down. So sue me.

[ericmurphy]

just to clear the record, I am not in any way racist.

Right. Just as you're not, in any way, homophobic.

Just as you're not, in any way, a fucking moron.

Just as you're not, in any way, a self-hating closeted homosexual.

And to clear the homo thing up, I truly truly love these people. It's just that their bedroom/restroom/carseat activities repulse me and drag society down. So sue me.

No, we're just going to take pictures while a group of bad-ass bikers from Folsom Street can have their way with you. Your wife will love them.

[Dneh]

jSkin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

.

And we are back to Lamarck!

So by your logic those decendents of English "settlers" should be lookin like Aboriginals by now. After all they have been there for more than a few generations (the late 1700s actually).

Strange how Australia has the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/co...kin_Cancer.asp

[jerr]

just to clear the record, I am not in any way racist. Just in case anyone forgets, it's me, the creationist who believes skin color is skin deep and not at all the result of "evolution," as probably everyone in here believes. Skin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

And to clear the homo thing up, I truly truly love these people. It's just that their bedroom/restroom/carseat activities repulse me and drag society down. So sue me.

What about the Byers quotes? Are you comfortable with what he says about Asians, Jews, and "ethnics"?

[Guzman]

jSkin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

.

And we are back to Lamarck!

So by your logic those decendents of English "settlers" should be lookin like Aboriginals by now. After all they have been there for more than a few generations (the late 1700s actually).

Strange how Australia has the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/co...kin_Cancer.asp

What does skin cancer have to do with lamarckism?

[RAFH]

just to clear the record, I am not in any way racist.

And to clear the homo thing up, I truly truly love these people. It's just that their bedroom/restroom/carseat activities repulse me and drag society down. So sue me.

I did gussie, that's why you are now gussie-sue. You've been sued. But then, we went over this a ways back, perhaps you forgot.

No worry, but unfortunately, we can't resue you, if we did, you'd be gussie-sue-sue and that would be silly. Even sillier would be if we did that and then sued you again, because that would make you gussie-sue-sue-sue. Now, that's really silly. However, you are pretty silly at times, so maybe it would fit.


Nah. Just plain old gussie-sue will do. Doesn't matter how many sues get added, you are still just as silly as ever.

[Dneh]

jSkin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

.

And we are back to Lamarck!

So by your logic those decendents of English "settlers" should be lookin like Aboriginals by now. After all they have been there for more than a few generations (the late 1700s actually).

Strange how Australia has the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/co...kin_Cancer.asp

What does skin cancer have to do with lamarckism?

Read the sentence bolded above. See if you can make the connection.

[ericmurphy]

jSkin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

.

And we are back to Lamarck!

So by your logic those decendents of English "settlers" should be lookin like Aboriginals by now. After all they have been there for more than a few generations (the late 1700s actually).

Strange how Australia has the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/co...kin_Cancer.asp

What does skin cancer have to do with lamarckism?

If your "theory" were correct, there shouldn't be any. Why are the Australians of European descent incapable of manipulating their own phenotypes so their skins are appropriately dark? You yourself claim that "the course of a few generations" should be enough to do it. Why isn't it happening?

[Eldarion Lathria]

white people are perfect. In fact, the master race.

Jesus was caucasian.

And had blonde hair, blue eyes and talked English. Ain't you never read 'The Bible in English just like Jesus Talked'?

Eldarion Lathria

[Dneh]

white people are perfect. In fact, the master race.

Jesus was caucasian.

And had blonde hair, blue eyes and talked English. Ain't you never read 'The Bible in English just like Jesus Talked'?

Eldarion Lathria

Good job they nailed him up. With that kind of complexion in the middle east he would probably end up with skin cancer. Nasty way to go.

[espritch]

jSkin is adaptive just many other human traits.....all it takes is a few minutes in the sun to prove that. Stay out in the sun all day, every day, and your offspring might very well emerge a wee bit darker than you. Over the course of a few generations, this may add up to big differences. But the point is, there is no random mutation and there's definitely no selection.

.

And we are back to Lamarck!

So by your logic those decendents of English "settlers" should be lookin like Aboriginals by now. After all they have been there for more than a few generations (the late 1700s actually).

Strange how Australia has the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/co...kin_Cancer.asp

What does skin cancer have to do with lamarckism?

It's no accident that most of that high skin cancer rate in Australia occurs in light skinned people of European ancestry and not among the dark skinned aboriginals. Skin color is genetic and adaptive and natural selection does indeed apply. Skin color has nothing to do with passing on a tan to your kids.

[Promethean]

someone should try to get him over here.

With both you guys here, it would turn into Tardo-palooza.

I suggest a steel cage death match, where you guy can fight it out to see you can out-tard the other.

[RAFH]

white people are perfect. In fact, the master race.

Jesus was caucasian.

Them's nothing, nothing at all.

Check out this masterpiece.
http://www.sonnyradio.com/redneckmansion.htm

[Dlx2]

just to clear the record, I am not in any way racist.

A word of advice: this phrase almost always precedes a racist statement.